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sanch123
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      01/07/03 11:22 AM

Hi All,
As everyone else has surely done I have been reading the horrible post of the poor chow that was killed the other day.
But it also raises a question, obviously something more is going on here but the situation scares me, Bo is nine right and the chow a puppy, I have an 8 1/2 rottie and a puppy, could something like this happen to my dogs? Simba has never had a bite history or any aggresion towards anyone, we had her trained when she was young and she is well socialized with dogs. My puppy of course is a energentic little one, if she bothers Simba to much Simba gives a little growl and most time the little one leaves her alone, but can a otherwise gentle dog suddenly go and kill a puppy for bothering it? Also, i have been giving the dogs together time and then seperate time Is that smart or should I not discriminate, I just feel sometimes the Simba needs to have sleep time without the little one climbing on her back.
Thanks for listening and such
Suzanne

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Jeff
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Re: Question new [re: sanch123]
      01/07/03 11:35 AM

99% of dog fights will end without death even when it is two adults fighting for food or leadership. One will usually stop fighting and the other dog wins by default.

Older dogs can injure younger dogs without really meaning to when the pup pesters enough to get a correction from the older dog. But usually this is all it is, "a correction", the younger dog will be no match for the older dog and both dogs will/should know this.

This is why most people will tell you to let the dogs work things out on their own because by interfering you will sometimes make matters worse.

The case with the Chow came to the conclusion it did because of a number of factors, most of them being the owners fault.

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Jeff
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Re: Question new [re: sanch123]
      01/07/03 11:55 AM

Giving the dogs time on their own is a good thing for both. Down time without being bothered is necessary.

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sanch123
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Re: Question new [re: Jeff]
      01/07/03 12:12 PM

Thanks for the info, I didnt know about not interfering, I thought it to be better to step in should anything happen, I am also glad about the down time I didnt want ot create any jealousy or such by seperating.
Thanks again

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sanch123
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Re: Question new [re: Jeff]
      01/07/03 12:14 PM

This maybe a stupid question but do older dogs really know that a dog is a pup,I ask because I have never dealt with having an older and younger dog at the same time.
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Re: Question new [re: sanch123]
      01/07/03 12:15 PM

Technically speaking, the chow wasn't killed by Bo...he was put to sleep after an untreated bite was left to become infected. Had the owner been advised properly or thought to take him to the vet immediatly after the incident and the wound been discovered in time, the chow would been treated and undoubtedly still be alive today.

I think you're definitly doing the right thing, let your pup play with the older dog, but keep a close eye on her and as soon as Simba starts to show any signs that she's had enough, seperate them. I would think that all dogs, regardless of age, might need some down time alone every once and a while and you should provide a means for them to get that.

Christopher and Jessica Bruce
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Re: Question new [re: Wrath]
      01/07/03 12:18 PM

I agree. In this I don't think dogs are that much different from humans by periodically needing their own space and time to enjoy it.

Mary Beth
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sanch123
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Re: Question new [re: lucasmom]
      01/07/03 12:20 PM

Thats what I thought, I sure know there has been times that I needed to separate from certain humans. LOL

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ericsmum
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Re: Question new [re: sanch123]
      01/07/03 12:35 PM

I agree with all the posts here. I think the owner is to blame for the incident with the rotty and the chow. I have been wondering the same things as you, and am pleased you asked....thanx! My dog (although only 19 months) is wonderfull with the puppy, and although he does tick her off with the odd grumble or he may slightly hurt her by sitting on her for example, they are very much in love, and wouldnt hurt eachother purpusley. Dont worry

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Re: Question new [re: Wrath]
      01/07/03 01:19 PM

Quote:
"as soon as Simba starts to show any signs that she's had enough, seperate them."

This is what I mean by NOT interfering. While it's a good idea to keep an eye on things, you have to let Simba correct the puppy. If you don't, the puppy will grow more bold and will not learn when enough is enough. This may cause a more serious action by Simba when you are not there.

Separating for the purpose of downtime is one thing but separating without the puppy learning when to stop is a future problem.

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