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Pages: 1 | 2 | >> (show all) sanch123 Member Reged: 12/20/02 Posts: 29 Loc: Lindenhurst, New York Really Fustrated and Confused       01/16/03 08:53 AM Edit   Reply   Hi Everyone, I have been having some major computer problems but I thik everything is fixed now. Anyhow, I need help, remember back when I posted that Zazu was snapping and growling, well I seems to be a common thing with her now. She has ripped countless pant legs on the whole family and if you correct her by saying no bite and I try to release her mouth (and in doing so I say release) she growls, when I get really upset with her and correct her and try to ignore her she turns into a crazied puppy, she will jump up really high and lunge at me or jump and try to snap at my hand or if i am lying done my face. My daughter cant go by her because she got her hand really good the other day and now she is afraid she will get hurt again, and forget about picking her up she growls in your face. She is going to the vet tonight for a check-up and to make sure nothing hurts her inside, she seems to do it most with me and the kids and not so much with my husband. What am I doing wrong??????? Simba never did this stuff so I am at a lose with ideas....... THanks Suzanne Post Extras:       n2rotts Member Reged: 03/13/02 Posts: 445 Loc: NC, USA Re: Really Fustrated and Confused [re: sanch123]       01/16/03 09:05 AM Edit   Reply   suggestions: The vet exam is an excellent first step. 2) get in training class NOW. 3) if you don't have a crate, get one. 4) get baby gates as well to restrict the pup's access to other areas of the house 5) Read this, print it out, and start living by it TODAY. http://www.sonic.net/~cdlcruz/GPCC/library/alpha.htm 6) if your breeder is available, speak to them about things you can do to help stop this behavior. When she grabs on to things, what are you doing to try to release her? I might keep a buckle collar on her for now, and lift her up on the collar to get her to release. Exactly how are you correcting her? How old is she now? At what age was she removed from her litter? Clearview Rottweilers NC, USA Roxy (at the Bridge) V-1 Fenja BH AD IPO 1 Ollie (Silverhill's Question Authority) Odessa (Crajo's Spit 'N' Image) Post Extras:       harleydog73 Member Reged: 11/13/02 Posts: 4366 Loc: Pennsylvania Re: Really Fustrated and Confused [re: sanch123]       01/16/03 11:02 AM Edit   Reply   I agree with N2Rotts and I would definately get a professional trainer involved, especially one who knows about behavioral issues. It looks like the situation is getting out of hand. A dog can start giving a defensive response (snapping & growling & lunging) when corrected (and the more you try to correct the dog the worse the dog gets) and IMO from how I read your post it sounds to me like it is turning into just that. Diane XENA (Rottweiler) HARLEY & DELIA (Jack Russell Terriers) MAGGIE & COPPY (My JRT Agility Girls) Post Extras:       sanch123 Member Reged: 12/20/02 Posts: 29 Loc: Lindenhurst, New York Re: Really Fustrated and Confused [re: n2rotts]       01/16/03 11:27 AM Edit   Reply   I have put a buckle collar on her, but thought it would hurtful to do that to her and cause more aggresion in her, when she does this behavior I either say firmly "no bite" or "no growl", if she is pulling and grabbing my pant leg I release her grip on the clothes by opening up her mouth. She is 8 weeks old, we got her just 6 weeks.Which I have come to know was way to young, because she lost valuable time with her litter mates, the person we recieved her from has breed Rotties for over ten years, but now I know that she should have never been given to us that young.The vet we use for SImba said that having Simba will help us with her but I dont know about that, although Simba is the only one that can get her to stop her behavior with a growl or look. Regardless whats done is done and I just want to do the best by Zazu, I did print out a copy of the Alpha Camp and made everyone in the family read it, read it to my daughter and explain it to her. She has a crate and since the beginnning utilizes it when she has had enough she goes in and everynight around 9-9:30 she goes by herself for the night. I dont put her in the crate when she misbehaves because dont they say that should be her special positive place, and I dont know how else to correct her, I tried "Scruffing" first and second time worked great, but after that it didnt do anything (maybe doing it wrong) and it seems she is more aggressive. Anyway, I want to do it right, I know most of the people on this board are professional with Rotties, We just love the breed and have had the best interaction and loving with Simba and didnt want ot get any other dog except a Rottie, so if we made a mistake picking the breeder, I think we are aware of that and dont want everyone to judge me as a neglectful person, our dogs are our kids my kids are there "siblings" and they are a part of our family like evryone elses dog. I wish tolearn from the many years of experience you all have and hope you do not mind that. I also have two gates that restrict her to certain safe areas in the house and to seperate Simba and her when need be. Thanks Suzanne Post Extras:       HarleyDRottie Member Reged: 12/12/02 Posts: 737 Loc: WV Re: Really Fustrated and Confused [re: sanch123]       01/16/03 10:29 PM Edit   Reply   Sounds like to me she's trying to be ALPHA over you all. Harley did this to me and my family at first but with help from people here about what to do and correct it, you'd better try harder with corrections or it will get out of hand. Benn there done that!!! Harley would get mad and go off and I'd tear his little butt up with NO and scruffing him, then time out in the Kennel seemed to help and I'd ignore him when he's in there and let him out after a few mintues that does not mess up there posstive place it helps them know hey your in time out to you act right. A trainer is a must I think! But as they will show you it's all in the corrections and the way you show them who's boss. Also do yo have a choke chain? I'd get one to help with corrections. Good luck and ask anyone here and you'll get great advice Im no expert but I have went threw what your saying. SAVE LIVES!!! God Bless you all!!! We are...... Valerie "Mom" Harley-D "Rottie" Haley "Dobe/Rott" Lucy "Ferret" Post Extras:       Greg_1111 Member Reged: 12/29/02 Posts: 128 Loc: BC Re: Really Fustrated and Confused [re: sanch123]       01/17/03 12:19 AM Edit   Reply   I don't have the knowledge of most of the other posters here, but I can tell you what worked for me. I had a similar problem with mine. After having a trainer come to my house for a session, I was able to use the tips and methods they reccomended. I think there is a turning point at which the pup will accept it's subordinate role in the family, but only you can make that happen. I think probably different combinations of methods work for different dogs, and you can't let up or give in until the change happens. I used scruffing, NO's, and temporary isolation together until she settled down. It was a battle of wills for a while, and I won lol. I found that isolation for ten minutes in a separate room or a bathroom away from everyone else was probably the most effective method. I really started to notice a change after a few time outs in another room. Also, once it starts working, positive methods like treats, and pets, will show the pup that good stuff happens when she behaves. make her defer to you for everything she eats, drinks or plays with for a while to help her understand that you are the provider of all that is good. Think like the leader around her, she will pick up on that. If you get rattled, she will see the reaction to her behaviour and make an association. This is just my opinion, and it seemed to work for me. Post Extras:       sanch123 Member Reged: 12/20/02 Posts: 29 Loc: Lindenhurst, New York Re: Really Fustrated and Confused [re: Greg_1111]       01/17/03 08:33 AM Edit   Reply   Thanks for all the advice, question though isnt a choke chain too much for her right now, someone else said use a buckle collar which is what she wears now, My Simba wears a choke chain but she is much bigger, I have been very firm with her, and doing everything everyone suggested,so we will see , I have contacted two trainers and I am really trying to find the trainer I used with Simba but that was 8 years ago but boy was he great. Let you know how it goes. Thanks again Suzanne Post Extras:       sanch123 Member Reged: 12/20/02 Posts: 29 Loc: Lindenhurst, New York Re: Really Fustrated and Confused [re: sanch123]       01/17/03 08:37 AM Edit   Reply   Also, went to the vet last night and Zazu has an umbilical hernia, my daughter (8yrs old) said Zazu had the hernia I guess because my daughter has one too, but the vet said that it is a very small tear and unless I notice a difference, when we spay her, he will repair it, might be the reason she is growling when picked up a certain way. Suzanne Post Extras:       Onewildsunflower Member Reged: 02/19/02 Posts: 3205 Loc: GOOD OLE USA Re: Really Fustrated and Confused [re: sanch123]       01/17/03 09:51 AM Edit   Reply   Rebel had an hernia too. But his was huge. No matter how big the tear is it should be repaired. My vet told me that it is not something that hurts but it is a health defect. YOu should not think about breeding her that is for sure. I had to sign a waiver from the breeder that I would have Rebel neutered because he could not be breed. Did the breeder you purchased her from tell you she had this problem? It should have been disclosed to you. If I can help you in any way let me know. Rebel had his repaired when he was neutered and he has been fine with it. Speak to your vet about her behavior as far as growling but like I said I don't think it hurts them. My vet made me check Rebels all the time to make sure it was not getting bigger. I had to be careful that his intestine did not fall into the tear but his hernia was the size of a tangarine so that could have been the difference. Good luck and if you have any questions regarding this let me know. I have had the experience in it and feel I could tell you everything I know about the procedure. One thing I remember is when I used to pick him up I would always make sure I didn't press on it, that was something the vet told me. He told me to pick him up with care and be gentle. Kim and Mugsy (My BULLY)-May The Drool Be With You Rebel (09/01-05/03) "If at first you don't succeed, remember DROOL happens." Post Extras:       sanch123 Member Reged: 12/20/02 Posts: 29 Loc: Lindenhurst, New York Re: Really Fustrated and Confused [re: Onewildsunflower]       01/17/03 10:08 AM Edit   Reply   Thanks for the info, I am very careful picking her up and will continue to do so, Her hernia is the size of an olive not very big but i am watching it, I will have her spayed as soon as she is old enough, went thorough Simba never being spayed dont want that again and hopefully everything will be ok till then I will watch for problems and she sees the vet in three weeks, It figures though it seems all my "kids" have hernias, both my son and daughter had/have them and now Zazu, thankfully Simba never had one. I am being firm and actually today when I took her out of her crate, she was very responsive to my new tone and was not as bitey, its just like kids they need structure and routine to thrive and she will get it . I cant seem to respond to an PM's so thanks to everyone that has but I cannot reply Suzanne Post Extras:       Onewildsunflower Member Reged: 02/19/02 Posts: 3205 Loc: GOOD OLE USA Re: Really Fustrated and Confused [re: sanch123]       01/17/03 10:29 AM Edit   Reply   She is still very small and in time she will become more responsive. I remember Rebel very well at 6 weeks. Had to walk around with boots on for the first three weeks he was home because he loved feet and ankles. Then he used to jump at me and nip the back of my knees and then he was able to reach my butt. By the time he was 12 weeks old I was so tired of NO it wasn't funny but it worked and it will for you too. Good luck and if you have any questions, just post and you will get plenty of help. Kim and Mugsy (My BULLY)-May The Drool Be With You Rebel (09/01-05/03) "If at first you don't succeed, remember DROOL happens." Post Extras:       harleydog73 Member Reged: 11/13/02 Posts: 4366 Loc: Pennsylvania Re: Really Fustrated and Confused [re: sanch123]       01/17/03 11:30 AM Edit   Reply   Umbilical hernias are hereditary in dogs. My Dads JRT has an umbilical hernia. She will be getting hers fixed as well when she goes in to get spayed which will be in a week or two. For her it really isn't a big deal and is small and she hasn't caused her any problems. We have just been keeping an eye on it just to make sure until it is fixed. Diane XENA (Rottweiler) HARLEY & DELIA (Jack Russell Terriers) MAGGIE & COPPY (My JRT Agility Girls) Post Extras:       HarleyDRottie Member Reged: 12/12/02 Posts: 737 Loc: WV Re: Really Fustrated and Confused [re: harleydog73]       01/17/03 06:57 PM Edit   Reply   The trainer told me that Harley was fine with a choke chain. He's 3 months old 32lbs and I use it and it works dont hurt them to a point where your doing it way to hard just correct them and that will do the trick. Does with him anyway! Good luck! SAVE LIVES!!! God Bless you all!!! We are...... Valerie "Mom" Harley-D "Rottie" Haley "Dobe/Rott" Lucy "Ferret" Post Extras:       Pages: 1 | 2 | >> (show all)

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