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Choppers_Mom
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Ducking the head.....
      03/18/03 11:05 AM

Vicki and I talked for awhile on the phone last night about Mike. Everything is just fine but my sister is really upset over Mike ducking his head every time he gets corrected. I have to be honest, it bugs me too when I see any animal do that.....

I think Mike has been hit and that's why he ducks whenever my sister tells him no and makes the advance to take him by the collar and remove him from the temptation warranting the correction.

I know there are many other behavioral actions that cause our dogs to do certain things..... Is there another reason why Mike might duck when approached during a correction?

It really bugs my sister and she'd like to know if there is something she can do to advance the progress of him knowing that she will never hurt him?

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And a little footnote for everyone! Mike is VERY interested in the swimming pool!! LOL Vicki said that if the weather was hot enough already, (it gets up to 112 at her house during the summer), she's sure that Mike would jump right in!! He was running and prancing all around the pool and giving a few happy barks as he did! When she got down on her hands and knees to grab stuff out of the water, Mike came running over and got right up next to her, mouth closed, ears propped and his nubber going nuts, watching every move she made!! He's gonna be an Olympic swimmer...I just know it!! That's my nephew!! LOL

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Double_Puppy
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Re: Ducking the head..... new [re: Choppers_Mom]
      03/18/03 11:43 AM

It is quite possible that he was hit. Maybe you should find another word for no.(I wouldn't use Spanish tho),just in case his old family was spanish.

Speaking of the pool...
Has Chopper clued him in about The D-U-C-K yet?


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Choppers_Mom
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Re: Ducking the head..... new [re: Double_Puppy]
      03/18/03 12:16 PM

LOL...Judy.....No in Spanish is said the same way in English.... So you're right, that wouldn't be a good word for change. Good idea though!!

I just wish you would have said there might be another reason for him ducking though.... That's really sad to think that he may have been hit by the previous owners....

We use "OUT" for no and so does my daughter for her 4 dogs..... It works very well for us, so I told my sister she might want to try that... In our case it's the perfect word.... Emily is learning NO... can you imagine the situations having her and the dogs responding to no? Mass confusion!! LOL

As for the duck....ROTFLMAO , my sister and I were laughing about that just last night! The duck was not in the pool yesterday while she was at the pool, so she doesn't know if Mike will be bothered by it there or not... Cute Judy... you remembered that did ya? Mike did seem like he was interested in walking on the wall between the pool and spa though.... Vicki said she could see the anticipation on his face but never ventured out on it. I'm sure in time he'll get brave and do it. Especially after he see's my nephew and everyone else do so...

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Murphy
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Re: Ducking the head..... new [re: Choppers_Mom]
      03/18/03 12:28 PM

I really wouldn't worry about my dog ducking his head. Sometimes I think we worry about too many things and watch our dogs too closely and think too much about why they do the things they do. If you are treating him the right way, and ducking his head does not hurt anybody, thats all that matters .

Murphy's Mom

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lucasmom
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Re: Ducking the head..... new [re: Choppers_Mom]
      03/18/03 04:56 PM

Wendy, You and I talked about this earlier. It's not a subject I even care to think on much. Luke behaved the same way when we first got him. He also ran like crazy whenever the broom was brought out! Whenever you tried to touch his face, he'd close his eyes and pull away. The good point though is that looking at him now, you'd never know. He now thinks he owns the world and so will Mike. He's got someone to love him now. And he will respond to that.

We usually reserve "No" for something absolutely unallowed and stop right now. Otherwise I tell Luke, "Enough". To him that means like a soft no, a gentle correction. (Cause a harsh correction isn't always needed.)

Mary Beth
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Choppers_Mom
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Re: Ducking the head..... new [re: lucasmom]
      03/18/03 05:10 PM

Thanks everyone for the replies..... It's just not fair that an animal has to be wary of being hurt....

Mary Beth, I'm so glad we're on the same page with this one. As I told you, Vicki will wait awhile after having told Mike no on something and then will call him to her. She loves all over him and pays close attention to rubbing his head and face. (She said he sure can drool while rubbing his ears! ) She wants him to know that the only thing she will ever do is love him. I think she's headed in the right direction and as much positive structure she gives him the faster he'll trust in that.... I do think you're right, it's gonna take some time for that to happen but in the mean time she's gonna keep enforcing the rules and make sure there's plenty of love to follow....

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Choppers_Mom
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Re: Ducking the head..... new [re: TrinityRun]
      03/19/03 09:48 AM

Thanks Lauren, I appreciate your interest..... Mike is a rescue. Male, 2 - 2.5 yrs old, neutured, and had sat at the kennel for almost 3 weeks when my sister saw him and decided to take him home. Mike has been with my sister since last Saturday. Before taking him home, she had gone to the kennel 3 times to get to know him.

The previous owners said Mike didn't listen and they got to the point where they couldn't control him anymore. (An apartment dog). My sister, who has mega yard space, said that Mike is an awesome dog and she thinks, so far, listens very well. He knows sit, stay, down, come, goes to his crate readily and has not shown any aggressive behavior over his food or toys. If they ask him to bring a toy, Mike will and will let go when told. Anticipating he's getting it back though. He has not tried to dig or trample the landscape and says he really must be used to pavement, cause while he's in the back yard he stays on the stone paths and won't walk on the lawn! Too cute..... Uppity little bugger!

So far the only corrections that he's warranted have been over normal things..... eating from the cat dish, (it's in the garage now), sniffing in the trash, taking items that he can't chew on, (grandpa's slipper and a childs toy), and his first real no no... peeing on the cats climbing pole... Ooops! (That is now upstairs). That got Mike a firm OUT and a down stay on his bed on the floor.

My sister instructs Mike just like a child and since she really has no idea of how well he really knows anything, she's starting from the beginning. Corrections are verbal, with an open hand gesture, (like a stop sign) and if there is no immediate response, she leads him by the collar and manually makes him sit, stay and so on.

But what really bothers her, is Mike ducks the minute she advances his head area to get his collar. His eyes squint and the head goes down. She does not cave to it, she still does the command with a firm voice and manual guidance with the collar but at the same time she doesn't want to be too authoritive. Does that make sense? Everything in the correction is firm.....not hard.

Should she earn his trust a while longer before stricter corrections are enforced? Right now, it's strict repetition and constant reassurances for good behavior. Vicki has the patience of a saint and would work one correction 50 times before she would ever harm Mike. But she'd like to make Mike's transition to her calm for him but still let him know who's the boss.

And another question.... Mike does know basic commands. He has only broke a stay a few times but once repeated he will stay. What type of class should she consider for Mike? Basic, intermediate, advanced, etc? Should she be the only one who attends the class? She has an 8 yr old son, not wimpy, who would like to go too? Is this a good idea? What about her boyfriend and my dad? They both would love to take part in anything that betters Mike and lets Mike know he's in a really good home.

Thanks everyone for all the repsonses, I really appreciate it! And sorry so long and for asking so much....

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Re: Ducking the head..... new [re: Choppers_Mom]
      03/19/03 10:26 AM

Poor Mike. It sound like he didn't have a very good past.
I think it will just take some time before he realizes he will not be treated badly. Hopefully with time & the extra love he is receiving he will overcome his past.

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Choppers_Mom
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Re: Ducking the head..... new [re: harleydog73]
      03/19/03 10:55 AM

I hope you're right Diane.... Mike is not even mine and it kills me to think that someone could have done anything to him. I know you're right, it's just gonna take some time, but until then it's kinda hard not to want to hug and squeeze him!

You know, awhile back, Tony got his hands on Chopper. Once, and only once. And I'm gonna be honest, alot of things slide off my back. I can have an argument with you, so long as it's constructive and not destructive, and 10 minutes later, I'm completely over the event. I hold no grudges. I judge no one and I never EXPECT anything. I'll ACCEPT anything someone is willing to give.

But the day Tony grabbed Chops put the biggest nick in our relationship. Chops did warrant what he got, just not how he got it. It stayed with me for months. I can think back to that day now, and not want to go home and smack Tony upside the head with a skillet, but it took me awhile to get here.

I even told him, the first time Chops cowers, cringes, ducks or squints an eye being approached by you, it's over. I will not stand for any dog of mine to react to any of us out of fear. He needs to respect us and I know that can be done without intimidation. Fortunately Chopper is ok with Tony. I also think that Tony knows what he did was a little overboard and whether he would admit it or not, he's sorry......



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Choppers_Mom
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Re: Ducking the head..... [re: TrinityRun]
      03/19/03 01:24 PM

Lauren...... I just posted to you and lost my reply... I answered a message from Monika and didn't post it completely before I did!! Boo hoo!! By the way.....Max and Mia's mom is having a blast!! Getting ready to go snorkeling and tonite to the Casino!! Bad Monika!!

I have copied and printed what you posted about Mike. Thank you sooo much for taking the time to do so. My sister will appreciate the advice.... I do too!

Mike has not questioned my sister, but she didn't want him thinking she was a push over either. So she's just keeping it calm but diligent. Constant but without being pushy!!

No, Mike does not seem to have an interest in landscaping at all! That was cute!! But then again.... he is new to the house and who knows!! LOL He might decide to become an excavator!! ROTFL!!

Mike is very content, follows my sister or anyone else around the house. Vicki said he is really nosy though!! It doesn't matter what anyone is doing Mike has to be right there with his nose in it!! LOL She says she has more drool on her lap than anything!!

He is very gentle around my mom. My mom is in a wheelchair and has a very advanced case of multiple sclerosis. I know some dogs are very profound in behavior around sick people. Mike is no exception. He really loves my mom and spends alot of time with her wherever she goes. At first he seemed a little intrigued by the electric wheelchair but mom told me last night that Mike is fine now. She can tell him to move or back up and he does.... I like that!

Anyways, I just wanted to thank you for your post and let you know that I will be giving it to my sister. I will post on Mike's progress too! Thanks for asking!! Actually I'd love my sister to join.... I know she would love it here!! Thanks again Lauren!!

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